Season of Epiphany

[00:00:03] Speaker A: This is Faith Break with Karen, Luke, and Anne Gallagher, a podcast about recognizing God, moments in our everyday lives. Today is the Feast of the Epiphany. This week, Karen and Anne celebrate how the story of the Magi reveals that God is for everyone and that the Holy Spirit draws us beyond the borders of our comfort zones. [00:00:37] Speaker B: Hi, everyone. Welcome to Faith Break. I am Karen Luke. [00:00:41] Speaker C: And I am Anne Gallagher. [00:00:42] Speaker B: And we are moms, ministers, friends, wives, a little bit of everything. And this season, we are talking about seasons of. And we are in the season of Epiphany. [00:00:56] Speaker C: Yes. Happy feast. Epiphany, everybody. [00:00:58] Speaker B: Get the three guys walking. [00:01:00] Speaker C: Wise guys. [00:01:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Technically, if you had them up before today in your Nativity, they shouldn't be there. [00:01:08] Speaker C: Yeah, mine have been up since the first Sunday of Advent. [00:01:11] Speaker B: Yeah, mine are always up. [00:01:12] Speaker C: I don't care. [00:01:13] Speaker B: Although, you know what's funny is there was one time, like, I had them way off to the side on the. [00:01:18] Speaker C: Table, and I moved when the kids were little. We might have done that one year. I think we might have done that one year. [00:01:24] Speaker B: Not that the table was that big to even, like, really notice, but that. [00:01:28] Speaker C: Was the same year Yoda or R2D2 ended up in the manger. [00:01:32] Speaker B: In the manger. Oh, that's awesome. And technically, Jesus shouldn't be there either. Oh, no, he's there now. But it's kind of hard when Jesus is attached to Mary to separate them in the nativity. Yeah, that's fair. [00:01:43] Speaker C: That's fair. [00:01:44] Speaker B: But we're talking about the season of Epiphany. Epiphany is a God moment. A God moment in of itself. [00:01:51] Speaker C: Yes. [00:01:51] Speaker B: It's about God being bigger than all of us, and the church is more than just our little parishes. [00:02:01] Speaker C: Yeah. This is a great feast. Well, first of all, the word epiphany is really fun. Right? Like, so epiphany is. I guess you would call it an aha moment. We call it a God moment, but I didn't look up the definition. I should have. But it's, you know, a moment where you have a big revelation that turns things around in a new way for you. You discover something new that is that. [00:02:24] Speaker B: You never knew before. [00:02:25] Speaker C: Life changing and. Yeah, all that. So. And also describes the journey of the Magi from the east to visit the baby Jesus after they saw his star in the sky. [00:02:37] Speaker B: Yes. [00:02:38] Speaker C: So that's the story we'll be reading at Mass this weekend. And I'm certain Deacon Eric will be giving his annual homily. [00:02:44] Speaker B: He will. He will. He mentioned that the other Day. [00:02:47] Speaker C: So good things happening this weekend, but. Okay. Yeah. The other part of the epiphany is that the wise men, the Magi, came from far away. They were not Jews. They weren't local. And so the church looks at this story and interprets it to mean that Jesus came for everyone. [00:03:10] Speaker B: Amen. [00:03:11] Speaker C: He didn't just come for the Jews. He didn't just come for, you know, a certain small group of people. He came for the whole world, all the nations, and still comes for everyone. So I think our conversation today, we're hoping, is going to be exploring all the different ways that God has reached the global family. Right. Surpassed boundaries and maybe arrived in surprising ways that we weren't expecting challenges us. Yeah. And coming to. Yeah. So. And the church is bigger than. It's a big church. It's a big church. Jesus came for everyone. This is what we're gonna explore today. [00:03:52] Speaker B: Okay. Before we explore that, should we share our epiphany, our weekly godmother moment? [00:03:59] Speaker C: Sure. [00:04:00] Speaker B: Okay, go ahead. [00:04:00] Speaker C: Okay. Remember how a couple of weeks ago, I think it was when we were talking about the Immaculate Conception and Mary's. Yes. We were talking about. You also have to say no. Like, there's the holy yes. But usually it involves a whole series of other holy no's. You've said to give that. And then we were talking about how we always set the ministry calendar before we set our personal calendars. [00:04:24] Speaker B: I know what your God moment is. [00:04:27] Speaker C: I haven't finished anything yet. But I did yesterday start researching retreats for 2026. Not a retreat I'm gonna lead for someone, but one for me to go on. [00:04:37] Speaker B: Awesome. [00:04:38] Speaker C: Because I did that last year, and it was wonderful, and I'm gonna need it again this year. So. Yeah, that was my first step of trying to. Cause we're right at the beginning of 2026 here, the first weekend of the new year, and I am going to put some personal things on the calendar before we even start thinking about the ministry year, which we will start doing surprisingly soon. [00:05:02] Speaker B: But who was. I don't even remember who I was talking to yesterday, and somebody came into the office and they're like, oh, busy season. I'm like, oh, I'm already thinking about Lent, you know? [00:05:15] Speaker C: And then Lunt gets the head of us when we do that. He's like, I'm not ready. Like, I get it. [00:05:21] Speaker B: I'm trying to enjoy the moments. But. Yeah. So my God moment actually happened today. [00:05:31] Speaker C: Okay. [00:05:32] Speaker B: So I was doing a prayer with the morning mass group, and I decided to do something A little different. We did a guided meditation on Matthew's My yoke is light, my burdens are lovely. [00:05:51] Speaker C: Yoke is. Your burden is light. [00:05:52] Speaker B: Yeah, that's it. And my God moment was at the very end before I sat down. It was quiet and everyone's eyes were closed and they just took that time for themselves. And after I was like, I don't wanna disturb em, like I wanted to give them enough time. Right. And it was just such a blessing for me to see the fruitfulness of. [00:06:24] Speaker C: You helped them to pray. [00:06:25] Speaker B: Yes. That's great. And I was kinda jealous a little bit. Cause I was like, oh, I could totally need this myself. But obviously when you're leading it, you can't really enter, really enter into that space. But it was really sweet. And I told them, I'm like, I just took a mental picture of all of you guys brain because it was just like, you know, with the season, you know, we're talking about planning ahead already. I was like, just. I'm really trying to be aware of. You had mentioned it. Presence instead of presence. [00:06:57] Speaker C: Yes. [00:06:59] Speaker B: Right. [00:06:59] Speaker C: For the holidays. [00:07:00] Speaker B: For the holidays. So I'm just trying to like gather every little present, memory, moment that I can. So that was my God moment. [00:07:09] Speaker C: Cool. [00:07:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:11] Speaker C: All right. Epiphany moments. [00:07:13] Speaker B: Yes. [00:07:14] Speaker C: How Moments where we realized God is here for everyone, not just. [00:07:22] Speaker B: Do you want me to start? [00:07:23] Speaker C: Do you have one? I do, yeah, sure, go ahead. [00:07:25] Speaker B: I do. So there's two. But the biggest thing I think for. [00:07:30] Speaker C: Me. [00:07:33] Speaker B: Where I realize that God is for everyone is at ncyc. [00:07:37] Speaker C: Yes. [00:07:38] Speaker B: I'm sorry, I know we've talked about it a lot. I know, I know I feel bad. [00:07:42] Speaker C: And we're gonna have more with the teens coming up. [00:07:44] Speaker B: And I even talked about it this morning with, you know, the group and I was like, it's just, I'm so. I'm still on that high. [00:07:51] Speaker C: Well, it's a big church experience. It's how we show these young people they're part of something so much bigger. [00:07:56] Speaker B: And it's like I'm just mass with 17,000 people. [00:08:05] Speaker C: Yes. [00:08:06] Speaker B: Everyone is praying the same prayers at the same time, but in their own cadence, in their own voice. I mean, it was just this collage of people and all different accents. Cause you know, Mississippi and Alabama and Florida, everybody and I just that moment. Cause I've had many of them. But it's like every NCYC at mass, the amount of people that we share in these prayers with and then it. I unfortunately have never been blessed to be at a mass. In another country. But the experience I hear is amazing, because even though you may not understand the words, you know what happens. [00:09:01] Speaker C: Yes. And that. [00:09:02] Speaker B: Have you had. [00:09:03] Speaker C: I have. I know. I was actually gonna talk about that. Well, and so the National Catholic Youth Conference is fantastic. But I've also gotten to go to two World Youth Days in my life, and one was in Denver when I was in high school. [00:09:18] Speaker B: My cousin went to that one. [00:09:19] Speaker C: Yeah. And then one was. I was, like, a baby youth minister. This was in, like, 2002, I think. So it was in Toronto. Okay. Both with John Paul II and that. Talk about, like, a global church. I mean, it's the NCYC thing, but just, like, blown way open because it's the entire world. Right. And so, you know, in the American church, when you go to something like ncyc, there's always a lot of the prayers and the music will be in Spanish. And sometimes I noticed there was Vietnamese and other languages woven into it. This time at ncyc, because there are so many different languages represented, even just our American church. And when I went to World Youth Day, I mean, it is all different languages for different songs and different parts of the Mass and people who do not speak a common language necessarily all praying together. So, I mean, that was just amazing. And I did spend my junior year studying abroad in Belgium, so I got to travel around a little bit in Europe and go to different historical churches and experience Mass in different languages, which was awesome. But there it was. The language thing was cool. But what was even cooler was the age of the buildings for me as an American. You know, the church I grew up in was built in the 1950s, I think, and both of our parishes were built in the 90s, even more recently than that. And to be able to, like. I just remember being in Notre Dame, in Paris, and, like, just, like, realizing how many hundreds of years worth of people have prayed in that space. [00:11:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:14] Speaker C: So, right. The church is big globally and, like, linguistically and culturally, but the church is big temporally, too. And it's just. [00:11:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:26] Speaker C: It's so much more diverse than you might experience if you. And it's a beautiful thing to worship in the same church every Sunday for your whole life. Right, right. But it's another beautiful thing to realize it's a church for everybody. All different languages, cultures, races. I mean, it's not the same in other parts of the world. [00:11:47] Speaker B: Right. [00:11:47] Speaker C: Necessarily, people's experience of going to church, not the Mass, is the same, but the context might be different. And it's just big community. [00:11:58] Speaker B: Have you ever thought about the idea that, like, in other countries, like in Africa, they don't get to celebrate communion every weekend? [00:12:10] Speaker C: I've been thinking about that a lot recently, as we, like, it's, you know, as our priests get, you know. [00:12:18] Speaker B: I know, but we still have, like three or four Mass a weekend. [00:12:21] Speaker C: Thank God for Father Rob and for Father Mike. But in other parts of the country. [00:12:28] Speaker B: You'Re lucky if they get it once a month. Not get it. But they don't get to receive once a month. We as Catholics, communion is the source and summit, that is. But how amazing is it that the participation is still there, even though the essence of communion is not. [00:12:55] Speaker C: Not weekly, anyway. [00:12:56] Speaker B: Weekly. Right, right. You know, it's gonna be interesting to. [00:13:00] Speaker C: See where the American church is going, at least in different parts of the country as we. [00:13:06] Speaker B: But I used to go to services with my friends in other religions, and I remember that communion for them was just a symbol. [00:13:20] Speaker C: Oh, and it felt so weird to you. [00:13:22] Speaker B: I bet it was weird. And I was like, I can't receive. Like, I didn't receive. [00:13:27] Speaker C: Because you knew it wasn't. [00:13:28] Speaker B: Because I knew it wasn't, like, consecrated the way that I believe in what it means. And I remember one time, the pastor at my friend's church, he had extra bread, and it was like a loaf of bread that they, you know, crumbled up. [00:13:45] Speaker C: Not like the host that we have. [00:13:47] Speaker B: And there was a whole bunch left over. And we had a youth group meeting after that. And he's like, hey, here you guys go if you want a snack. And I'm like, wait, what? [00:13:57] Speaker C: What's going on here? [00:13:59] Speaker B: But God was there, too. [00:14:02] Speaker C: Sure. [00:14:03] Speaker B: You know, so, I mean, yes, we think of God and Jesus and in the way that Catholics believe, but God made us all, and God made us all in the image of God self. So God is for everybody, not just Catholics, not just Baptist, you know, like, so cool. Yeah. [00:14:32] Speaker C: So, you know, it's interesting, you talked about, like, the Eucharist being the source and summit and how you just had a felt experience of when you experienced it and when you missed it, too. I was. One of the cool things about the second World Youth Day I went to in Toronto was the way the meals, the meal plan went was so weird. This is gonna come around. Okay. I'm talking about being a eucharistic people. Okay. So what it means to be Eucharist for each other and to share community and to, you know, be around the table. So you couldn't. You had as part of your ticket or whatever A certain number of meals provided. So you would have these tickets, and you would take them to the places where the meals were, and you would get them. But none of them were individual meals. So you'd have a. The ticket had to be for, like, I don't know, six people or maybe eight people. So you. And they would give you a bucket of food. It would be some kind of slop from some area, and they were all from different cultures all around the world, so different cuisines from around the world. And you would get. It wasn't a bucket of slop. It was like a. It was a communal meal. Okay. But you would have to divvy it out to your friends. So you couldn't go and just get, like, my meal from the vendor. [00:15:54] Speaker B: You couldn't get chicken nuggets and French fries. [00:15:56] Speaker C: You couldn't. You had to make six friends. I don't know how many friends. And then as a group, go and get your communal meal and sit down and eat it together. [00:16:06] Speaker B: I just had an epiphany, and I. [00:16:08] Speaker C: Was like, we need to do this. [00:16:10] Speaker B: No, we need to do this at church, at Mass. Like, not at mass, but, like, we need to have, like, some sort of dinner that we do. This. [00:16:19] Speaker C: This is, like, what potlucks are all about, right? [00:16:21] Speaker B: But this is, like, better than a potluck. [00:16:23] Speaker C: Well, let me tell you, by day three, it was getting a little old, I'm not gonna lie. [00:16:29] Speaker B: But. [00:16:32] Speaker C: It had a spiritual meaning to it. That was, like, really cool. [00:16:35] Speaker B: Think about the loaves and the fishes, right? [00:16:37] Speaker C: Yes. [00:16:38] Speaker B: Fishes, fishies, fishes. [00:16:40] Speaker C: Because we don't do church alone. No, the church is big. [00:16:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:44] Speaker C: For all people. I have a great mentor. Nora. You know Nora, she always says, like, the church is a big tent. And what she means by that is that it's physically big, but there's room for everyone under the tent. Okay. It's like, you don't get to say who doesn't belong in the tent. There's a place for you. Yeah. Cause even if not everybody else is doing it like you or looks like you or has the same experience you have. [00:17:15] Speaker B: But could you imagine if Jesus was like, no, no, you're not. You. You don't get to come into the tent today. Like, that's. That's. I guess that's where I get frustrated in my faith, because, like, we share in this sacrament every Sunday. Right. And we are commissioned after to go out and serve the Lord and one another. [00:17:45] Speaker C: With your life. [00:17:45] Speaker B: With your life. And then what happens in the parking lot? And then what Happens when you're waiting in line for lunch or dinner or whatever. You know, it's like, literally, it could be in a split of a second that you're just. You totally forget what it's all about or. You know, we were talking about practicing the virtues in our last session. Right. I mean, how easy is it for us to pick and choose the people. [00:18:16] Speaker C: Who'S in and who's out? [00:18:17] Speaker B: Who's in and who's out, the belongings? [00:18:19] Speaker C: Who doesn't belong, the people that we're. [00:18:20] Speaker B: Kind to compared to the people we aren't kind to. [00:18:25] Speaker C: Well, there is no us or them. That's what. Right. And getting back to the Magi. Right. Traditionally, I don't think this is in Scripture, but it is in artwork and tradition going back, you know, hundreds of years in the church, that each of the three Magi, like, there'd be, like, an African one, an Asian one, and a European one in most depictions of them. Right. So it's just. [00:18:49] Speaker B: Okay, I don't know how to say this without sounding completely. [00:18:55] Speaker C: Let's talk about the meme we were laughing about. Well, this was old, but there was something that came across the feed and it said, there are no white people in the Bible. [00:19:05] Speaker B: Right. [00:19:07] Speaker C: There you go. [00:19:07] Speaker B: Okay, so there's that. I have a huge issue. [00:19:13] Speaker C: Tell us how you really feel, Karen, with white Jesus. [00:19:18] Speaker B: Okay. I just put it out there. Hippie Jesus, California Jesus, white European Jesus people. And I think where I got this frustration from was thank you to my education at St. Bernard's with Nancy Hawkins, because I had a whole class on images of Jesus. Now, as a white girl from Macedon, New York, with very little diversity, taking a class called Images of Jesus. And we talked about every cultural image of Jesus and how some cultures view Jesus differently based on their cultural experiences. [00:20:10] Speaker C: Like, it's so cool when you see all the different cultures representing Jesus in. [00:20:14] Speaker B: Their own Chinese Jesus and African Jesus. And, you know, African Jesus is referred to as the suffering Jesus because of everything that has happened with the slavery and everything. And it really puts into perspective how huge our church is. [00:20:39] Speaker C: Yeah. And our theology is very expansive, too. Did you see when you were doing that? I didn't take that class. It didn't come up in my cycle. But I've seen an image of Jesus. It's a piece of artwork of Jesus, but it's Jesus in a way that they've drawn him to be the most inclusive possible. So it's a Jesus that reflects all the different ethnicities and genders of the human experience. [00:21:03] Speaker B: I Don't know if I've seen that one. [00:21:05] Speaker C: I'll try to dig it up. [00:21:06] Speaker B: Try to dig it up so we can post it up here. [00:21:09] Speaker C: And I think it's called, like, the Universal Christ or something like that. [00:21:12] Speaker B: I am super huge into images. [00:21:15] Speaker C: And then you have the historical Jesus. There's another image where scientists actually made kind of a composite image of what, like a Jewish man of Jesus's time and locale would have looked like. Yeah. [00:21:35] Speaker B: And it's not white Jesus. [00:21:38] Speaker C: It's not white. [00:21:39] Speaker B: He doesn't have the vival. [00:21:41] Speaker C: Right. [00:21:42] Speaker B: What is it? The Videl Salon? What hair? [00:21:49] Speaker C: Good luck editing this one, Jevin. [00:21:54] Speaker B: You know, the flowing hair, the flowy hair, and the beautiful blue Jesus. Fabio Jesus. Or my brother likes to call Kenny Loggins Jesus. [00:22:04] Speaker C: Kenny Loggins. [00:22:05] Speaker B: Jesus can't be Jesus, my brother. I tell ya. So, yeah, I challenge you. I challenge you that if you haven't. And this was one of the challenges I had for our faith formation families. I had a whole bunch of different images of Jesus and had them talk about which ones they related to or they felt called to or challenged them. I mean, I'm not gonna try to get political, but it's kind of hard to not be political. And if we really come to terms. I'm very gesticulative today. I'm sorry. If we come to terms with who Jesus was. Jesus was radical. Jesus was political. He challenged the whole entire culture at the time. And I really feel called to be vocal about it. That we need to challenge ourselves to be uncomfortable. [00:23:07] Speaker C: Well, and part of how we experience our church is as a global family, which means we need to be concerned with the welfare of everyone. And if you go to, like, transfiguration, we have the banners in the back that are all the themes of Catholic social teaching. You know, faith is a political act. And we're called to the radical idea that every human person is created in the image and likeness of God and deserves to be treated with human dignity. Right. And so this is a bigger. I don't know, it's expansive. The church is expansive. And our responsibility to each other is all inclusive. It includes everybody. Everybody in the world. [00:23:51] Speaker B: Yeah. We can't pick and choose which people we feel are worthy of our love. [00:23:59] Speaker C: Yeah. You know what is another cool. Who is another cool sign of our big tent church right now? Pope Leo. Oh, you know, I mean, okay. I know we have a lot to say. Cause we just met him. We just hung out with Pope Leo a few times at the National Catholic Youth Conference. Maybe Jeff Will throw up our selfie again. See how many times this. [00:24:24] Speaker B: I'm still deaf in my right ear from Bridget. [00:24:27] Speaker C: But he. You know, first of all, we never thought we would get an American Pope. [00:24:31] Speaker B: Right. [00:24:31] Speaker C: I never thought I would see an American Pope in my entire lifetime. And so that was so cool that he was able to converse with our teens, our American teens, in their own vernacular, in their own, like, in such a personable way, without any. He's so real. He was so real to them. And at the same time, he has a global perspective, you know, having been stationed in the different parts of the world where he was a missionary in the choosing of the name. Leo is really a. Like, the last Pope who was. Leo wrote so many encyclicals that became the basis of our modern Catholic social teaching. And I think he is focused. I can't wait to see where he go, because hopefully we will have him as a pope for a very long time because he's young, But I think he is going to be focused on the broad. On church in the broadest sense, in the most global sense. I really. [00:25:27] Speaker B: He's already spoken out about quite a few challenging topics, and it is relieving a relief. That's the word I'm looking for. It is a breath of fresh air to see that there is not saying that the other popes didn't do this, but I think that there is a different theme. [00:25:53] Speaker C: Relief is a good word. I actually feel very at peace knowing that he will be the person to lead this church into the challenge, the challenges that are coming in the decades ahead, the years and decades ahead for the church and for the world. Really? [00:26:11] Speaker B: Remind me what. When he met with us, he said, I'm going to leave you with the first words that I spoke. And I can't remember those first words. [00:26:26] Speaker C: God loves us. Oh, God sees us, and evil will not prevail. Yeah. Those were the first things he said when he came out as Pope. [00:26:34] Speaker B: As pope. [00:26:36] Speaker C: Right. The broadest mission ever. Biggest reminder ever. God loves us plus all of us. Yes, definitely. [00:26:47] Speaker B: In Matthew chapter 12, 48, 50, Jesus says this. Who is my mother and who are my brothers? And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother. I mean, there's our mission. [00:27:13] Speaker C: Right. One human family. [00:27:16] Speaker B: Yep. [00:27:16] Speaker C: Mm. [00:27:17] Speaker B: Yep. Okay. [00:27:20] Speaker C: Well, I think that might be a good place to end. [00:27:22] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:27:22] Speaker C: On a quote that I brought? Yeah. Do you have more? [00:27:25] Speaker B: I have no. I. I think I'm. Did you want to share any of your scripture passages or. [00:27:33] Speaker C: Well, I have just a few from. That are actually from the mass reading today. So we're gonna pray Psalm 72. Lord, every nation on earth will adore you. Right. For global church. And then from Ephesians, the Gentiles are co heirs, members of the same body and co partners in the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel. So there's no inner circle in the church. Maybe there is an inner circle in the church, but to God, God doesn't want there to be an inner circle. The church is meant to be for everyone. The gospel is for everyone. [00:28:07] Speaker B: Right? [00:28:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:10] Speaker B: And really fast. I guess I do have one thing and it just caught my attention. One of the questions that we were talking about is like, how has God surprised you with the bigness of the people of God? And I will probably say that what most surprises me and not really a surprise, but gets me really excited is Christmas mass with it being filled. [00:28:42] Speaker C: Oh, yes. [00:28:43] Speaker B: Like our church is just being filled. And all the families and kids and grand, like all the generations that come together for mass, it's like, this is. This is what it's about. [00:28:57] Speaker C: I love it. [00:28:58] Speaker B: Right. [00:28:59] Speaker C: Everybody come home. [00:29:00] Speaker B: Everybody just come home and. [00:29:02] Speaker C: And everybody come. [00:29:04] Speaker B: Come and eat and just be a part of what Jesus wants us to be and what we were called to be by God. [00:29:12] Speaker C: And I love the idea too, that our call to love others as Jesus loved is always expanding. Right. Our circle is always expanding. The call always is moving. Like what? Beyond whatever boundary we're comfortable in. God always calls us to take another step. You're never finished. And so there's always a further leg on your journey into the world and into different types of communities and people. And. Yeah. Some of the greatest, I mean, I don't know of God coming in surprising ways or showing me that the call is bigger. It's been when we've spent time with the sisters every summer, the Sisters of St. Joseph, and we bring teens into the city to do work in various ministries and they start seeing Christ is in the hungry. [00:30:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:12] Speaker C: Christ is in this child who has all these developmental disabilities but is still reflecting the divine love. Christ is in this person who's struggling with addiction and they don't need to be fixed before they're reflecting God's love. There are still. You know what I mean? [00:30:27] Speaker B: Like, it's so. Yeah, yeah. I mean, when you say fixed, I get the like. Yes. Sometimes we feel that we're not fixable or that we're broken, but that's us. [00:30:39] Speaker C: Right. [00:30:40] Speaker B: God doesn't see us that way. [00:30:43] Speaker C: Yeah. And so. [00:30:46] Speaker B: Imagine what it would be like if everyone just saw everybody with the eyes of God. [00:30:53] Speaker C: Yes. [00:30:53] Speaker B: And like any person that you encounter. Okay. So challenge yourself. Any person that you encounter, imagine, like, remind yourself that they are made in the image and likeness of God. Like you are. [00:31:07] Speaker C: Right. [00:31:07] Speaker B: And see how your attitude and your behavior changes with that. [00:31:12] Speaker C: Yes. Okay. I was wrong before. That was the right place to end. Okay. [00:31:17] Speaker B: Holy Spirit called Holy Spirit. [00:31:19] Speaker C: Okay. So God is for everyone. [00:31:21] Speaker B: Yes. [00:31:22] Speaker C: We hope you enjoy your week. Thank you for joining us today today. And I hope you have some epiphanies of your own. [00:31:31] Speaker B: Share them with us. We are very excited and grateful when we hear from you guys and ladies, anyone who listens or watches. This has been really fun for us to do and we're grateful that you support us in this ministry and just let us know. [00:31:51] Speaker C: Thanks for tuning in and have a great Friday, first week of 2026. We'll see you next week. [00:31:56] Speaker B: Bye bye. [00:31:58] Speaker A: Thanks for taking a faith break with us today. Karen Luke and Ann Gallagher are lay ministers with the parishes of St. Catherine of Siena in Menden, New York, and Church of the Transfiguration in Pittsford, New York. More about our parishes, including weekly live streamed Sunday Mass, can be found at St. Catharine or transfigurationpittsford.org Engineering Today is by Jeff Beckett. Join us for new episodes of Faith Break each week in Studio on YouTube or on your favorite audio podcast or music.