Season of Surrender

[00:00:05] Speaker A: This is Faith Break, a podcast about recognizing God, moments in our everyday lives, with hosts Karen, Luke and Anne Gallagher. In a special Holy Week episode, Karen and Ann sit down with our pastor, Father Rob, to reflect on how Jesus last days on earth show us what a changed heart looks like, how we experience dying and rising in our lives, and what God calls us to surrender so that new life can grow. [00:00:44] Speaker B: Hi, everyone. [00:00:45] Speaker C: Welcome to Faith Break. I'm Karen Luke. [00:00:48] Speaker B: And I'm Anne Gallagher. [00:00:49] Speaker C: And as you can see, we have a very special guest with us, Father Rob. And today we are going to be talking about Palm Sunday, Holy Week. Holy Week, our God moments, and the season of surrendering. Ooh, boy. So there's a lot to talk about. [00:01:07] Speaker B: That's why we brought in big guns. [00:01:09] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, don't count on it. [00:01:11] Speaker C: Well, you already said you've been doing your research, so that's good. [00:01:16] Speaker A: Yeah, perfect. [00:01:17] Speaker C: We start all of our podcasts with our God moment. So would you like to share a God moment with us? [00:01:24] Speaker D: Sure. I share with all humility. Just the other day. Well, actually it was Sunday before church. A couple came up to me to say something, share it with me. And last week I went to a hospice to give somebody their last rites and there was somebody there volunteering or working or whatever. I did not notice this individual, but. But this person told this couple that they were so impressed by me, since I say this humbly, and they were just observing the time I was spending with this couple gentlemen who I came to anoint and pray with. And they had shared with me that this individual's been away for the church and they're kind of hoping that maybe this might be a little impetus. They want to invite this individual to join them for liturgy one weekend. So that was. That's my God latest God moment. [00:02:25] Speaker C: That is an awesome God moment. [00:02:27] Speaker D: I mean, with all humility, I say that I had no idea who didn't see this person wherever they were in the hospice. [00:02:33] Speaker B: Talk about season of surrender. That hospice journey, having gone through that myself in the last few months, that's a blessing. [00:02:42] Speaker D: I'm very fortunate with the hospices we have here in our area. Very, very fortunate. They're sacred places, definitely. [00:02:50] Speaker B: And the people who work there are just phenomenal. I can't even say enough beautiful things about the people who walked with Mom. [00:02:58] Speaker D: And I mean, yeah, they're angels on Earth. [00:03:01] Speaker B: Yes, 100%. [00:03:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:04] Speaker B: Do you have a God moment? [00:03:05] Speaker C: I do. So mine also happened on Sunday. We had our in person religious ed classes and our first graders were upstairs and they were cleaning up the stage from the production, but the stage was still up there. So the kids asked the teachers if they could go up on stage and recite the Our Father. [00:03:30] Speaker B: Did you get a video? [00:03:31] Speaker C: I did not get a video, but I did get a picture. And I think this is the first time that my first graders know the Our Father without having to look at it. And I was one proud faith formation director. [00:03:45] Speaker B: Did they do the sign of the cross with the right hand or. [00:03:47] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know if they did that. [00:03:51] Speaker D: But, you know, it's so funny when I go to bless somebody, like, first reconciliation, and the kids kind of like. And they're kind of like, do I move my hand? [00:04:02] Speaker B: What do I do? I know I practice this, and I [00:04:05] Speaker D: always say, yeah, you can do that. But it was so cute. [00:04:08] Speaker C: They said it nice and loud, and they all knew it, and it was just sweet. I love when the kids get entertained by that. And my teachers are wonderful. Shout out to all my teachers. Here's my God moment. What about you, Anne? [00:04:22] Speaker B: Okay, so mine is kind of a quiet family God moment, but I think it kind of ties in with our themes around Holy Week and Dying and Rising. Because we have this one room in our house. Sometimes we call it the office, sometimes we call it the guest room. But it's the space where, you know, when things start getting hectic and nuts, that, like, everything just piles up in there. And, um, you know, in the last several months, we've been in the process of cleaning my mom's condo out and move. You know, there was just all kinds of stuff. But right before Christmas, we committed because my sister was going to come and stay in that room for a week. We cleaned everything out, and I brought everything into the room that was special from my mom's house. Like, the things that I always knew I really wanted. Like, there's a. A picture of the Madonna and child that she had in her bedroom my whole life, and that's hanging in there. And her hope chest, which was the thing I wanted from our house, is there and back. Over Christmas time, we had the creche that my aunt and uncle made for her that were there and layered on top of that, is that I've spoken before to both of you how we bought our house from my uncle when my aunt, after my aunt died. And this particular room was her art studio. So I still have her. And she had been an art teacher. I have her name tag. This is Ms. Kadera up on the wall. And some quotes from my Aunt Sue. And I Have some of her paintings that were at my mom's house now in that room. So I have this ritual I've been doing as part of, like, my grieving where I go in there at night and I just. I have a little lamp, and I just turn the little lamp on, and I don't even use this space all that much myself, but I. I turn the lamp on, and I think part of me is just envisioning my mom and sue just sitting there, like, having tea. But my God moment is that I've noticed my children are gravitating to that room now. So they will bring in their homework, and they'll sit in the room and they'll do their homework together. And Bridget has music she puts on. That was the music we had in my mom's hospital room and the CD player and everything. And she and my kids will just sit there and they'll do their work. And so it's become kind of a sacred space for them, too. Yeah. So that's my God moment, because I had several little moments this week where I just kind of. And sometimes they go in there and they close the door, and it's just. Just for them. So, yeah, it's my God moment. [00:06:59] Speaker C: I love that. [00:07:00] Speaker D: Nice to hear the two of them are getting along, kind of not fighting. Exactly. Oh, my gosh. [00:07:08] Speaker C: Should we dive into. There's a lot for Palm Sunday and Holy Week. Yeah. [00:07:16] Speaker B: So, yes. [00:07:18] Speaker A: Wait, where. [00:07:19] Speaker B: Where are the palms starting? I know. Well, so our theme this whole night has been change our hearts. Change, Change of heart, Change our hearts. And when we're looking at Jesus's last week, like, what a model he is for us, about what it looks like to let God change your heart and to surrender. So I don't know. Why don't we start with Jesus? And that's always a good point. Let's start with Jesus. But when we look at his. The steps he walked during his last week on Earth, like, what do you notice about what he's teaching us about this idea of surrender and letting go? [00:08:09] Speaker D: Well, thinking about it, this is making his entrance into Jerusalem. I mean, talk about a dramatic change of a lot of hearts in different ways, not always positive. [00:08:24] Speaker B: Yes. [00:08:25] Speaker D: I mean, he's triumphantly coming in, the people are excited, they're revved up. And Jesus knows what's lying ahead. And his public ministry, which really was brief, so we told three years, it's coming to completion somewhat in this world. But you and I both know that he passed on his ministry, his mission to his followers, the Faithful followers and hoping. You know, there's so many examples in the scriptures before this event that people wanted him to always stay with them and not move on. He said, no, I got to keep moving on. I got to spread the message. And that's why he sent the disciples out. But the change of heart, you know, that whole shift, you know, from all the joys in the next coming days, going to flip right upside down. Betrayal. Betrayal. We're talking about Jesus, but let's talk about the crowd, the people around their change of heart, from cheering to cheering to hardness of heart. You know, those who were plotting because they wanted to get rid of them because it was conflicting with their agenda. And even Jesus, in the week as it unfolds, as we get to Good Friday, you know, the scriptures tell us, you know, as he's being executed, hanging on that horrible instrument of death that I want, you know, he talked about let this cup pass for me, but comes to the point in his heart, his spirit, not my will, but your will. And here, because of that great passion of his heart, he gives his very life for all people, all his sisters and brothers then, and all the ones that are going to be beyond us when our moment comes too. And then, you know, it is finished. You know, those are the last spoken words right before the moment of his death. And you know, one person I like to cite out as Judas now talk about a change of heart. I mean, here there was something really special about him. And that's why Jesus chose him to be one of the 12. He had to have wonderful gifts that Jesus was relying on him to take and bring to other people. [00:11:07] Speaker B: I think about him as always being a villain. And you don't remember that. That's not the story. He had a call story. He had a ministry and a role to play too. [00:11:18] Speaker D: Some believe and will tell us that why he did what he did was because he wanted Jesus to move quicker. He wanted to take over, establish what he thought the kingdom should be, which again, it was his will, not the Lord's will. And the other thing I believe particularly focusing since the years I took this spiritual exercises about evil that's out there, you know, the devil, darkness, whatever you want to call it that plays on human life. They can turn people around. Just look at our country and countries throughout the world and we can even see it sometimes in relationships and family and among our circles or friends, the people we think thought we knew. And then something happens, they turn around and Judas and when he went to the authorities, now to me, I've been thinking about this particularly more concentration lately is when he went to the authorities, he said, what will you give me? Look at all that Jesus wanted to give him and did give him. But now he's taken in by the world in his own agenda. What will you give me? And what was it? So we're told, 30 coins, 30 silver coins. The ways of the world, you know, what did Jesus say in that one scripture passage? Whose image is on that coin? Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. Give to God what belongs to God. And Judas heart changed that he couldn't give to his friend anymore or to God. So I, you know, and makes me in the season, this theme for Lent and leading up to our Easter. What do I need to change in my heart so I don't get pulled into the trappings of the Caesars of this world? [00:13:19] Speaker B: And so much of that too, like juxtaposing Judas with Jesus is about the ego, right? Like, I'm thinking about Holy Week as almost like a counterpoint to Jesus when where we started Lent with Jesus in the desert for 40 days. And we saw with those temptations him just like, relinquishing the earthly powers, the. Just a sense of his ego over, like, what God was calling him to. I think he does all of that again over Holy Week, you know, he sets aside in increments one thing after another, right? The last, you know, he enters Jerusalem to fanfare. But then he's got the anointing at Bethany and the Last Supper. And, you know, his suffering and death. And it just. He lets things go one by one by one by one until there's nothing left but space in his heart. Talk about changing your hearts. Nothing left but space in his heart for compassion and for love. And he received all of that suffering and transformed it. But he could only do it because he wasn't clinging to some other idea of, you know, what his life could look like. Yeah. [00:14:31] Speaker D: You know, in the Last Supper too, I think about, you know, when Jesus says, someone here is going to betray me. Now, I've said this before, heard it from others. I mean, you know, you can gather, let's say, our congregation at church and who among this group is going to betray Jesus? And, you know, this betrayal when anytime I choose to sin or anybody else to sin, that's a betrayal to Christ. And I think about, you know, you know, Judas, you know, says, surely it's not I. And then Jesus dips the bread and hands it to him. I mean, what was Judas thinking like, right? But I was thinking, what are the other people, whoever was in that room, around the table, what were they thinking? Like, uncomfortable moment. Uncomfortable moment. You know, should I say anything? You know, up he goes. You know, up he goes. Yeah. [00:15:34] Speaker C: That's something that I happened upon when I was looking at the readings. And it says, surrender during Holy Week is to walk with Jesus slowly, listen more than explain, and stay when it's uncomfortable. And I was thinking of Mary staying when it was uncomfortable. [00:15:56] Speaker B: At the foot of the cross. [00:15:57] Speaker C: At the foot of the cross. And how she was the one that was there and everyone else went into hiding except John. [00:16:05] Speaker D: And the other Mary. [00:16:06] Speaker B: Yes, the other women were still there. [00:16:08] Speaker C: The other women. [00:16:08] Speaker B: And the teenager. And the teenager. [00:16:10] Speaker D: And you know what? And think about. I mean, I cringe anytime. There was nothing beautiful about a crucifixion. [00:16:18] Speaker C: They did. [00:16:19] Speaker D: I mean, stripped of your clothing, there's your son naked and this instrument of execution. I mean, oh, my gosh, I do. I cringe. It's just thought, you know, it's. [00:16:33] Speaker C: But our faith isn't always comfortable. And I think that that's where a lot of. [00:16:40] Speaker B: And sometimes to watch, you know, speak about Mary as the mother, like, the suffering of watching your child suffer is a whole. I mean, Jesus suffered, but Jesus allowed this. I don't want to say he had agency in the suffering, but he did. He walked the path that God was calling him to. But Mary, you know, she was just. She could only watch. She could only watch and be present. [00:17:07] Speaker D: And I wonder if the words came back to her that were spoken to her earlier. And Simeon said, someday a sword will pierce your heart. I mean, what could be more piercing than go through that? [00:17:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I think that's the crux of a Holy Week. Is this the Paschal mystery, right? The dying and the rising and the idea that Jesus walked this road because on the other side of the cross is new life and his hope, and is grace that we can't find without going through the suffering. Right. And again, it's not that God wants the suffering, but it's that this is how the grace gets in. So I don't know if you want to talk a little bit, either of you, about this whole idea in Holy Week and then also in just seasons of change, because we're, you know, there's a lot of. In our personal lives that's changing. There's a lot in lives of our church that's changing. We're all experiencing dying and rising in a lot of different ways. Whether it's, you know, kids going away to college, loved ones passing away, other things in our culture changing. But, like, how do. How does the Paschal mystery help us move through the changes that we go through in our lives that are so difficult, you know, in our seasons when we have to let go. [00:18:32] Speaker C: You go ahead. I like listening to you. You're our guest. [00:18:38] Speaker D: Well, I got so many different thoughts, but I cannot go through them all. But since we're talking about Holy Week, you know, Paschal mystery, I always think of one of my dearest friends who's now, I believe, with the Lord, Marla, who I travel with so many times, I've known for. We met over 40 some years ago. And when her husband died very young, Marla said she never realized how strong her faith was until Bob died. And I think that often. I can hear her right now in my mind. And then not too long after that, her oldest son died unexpectedly, too. Brian. It was still there. And Marla taught me, and I knew it. But to hear her, you know, share her faith, you know, the Eucharist was just so, so important to her, you know. You know, the Lord said to those who were listening, one of my favorite lines is, let those who have ears hear and listen. Yeah. And whoever shares in this gift that I'm going to give you will have me with you always in any situation, and you will have life that will be sustained forever. So that resonates with me often. And I try to share that with my vocation with people and, you know, having the privilege to celebrate the Eucharist and all the sacraments for that fact. But that really nurtures me. Doesn't mean I don't have times to get challenged. Things happen. But very, very mindful of that, like you this past year with your mom, you know, one of my very, very best friends, Jerry, he died. And when I go to Massachusetts, it was my second home, literally. I mean, four seasons of clothes in their house. I lived there. And Jerry is like one of the last people in our group that we had there in that. I mean, we had the kids younger than me, obviously, and they're still here, and they're very loving, attentive. But that whole passing on, literally dying, but rising in faith. And I had a great circle. They were a great circle of friends. Their faith was rich, and we celebrated well our beliefs in Christ. And it's just kind of a different year for me, still thinking about, you know, getting ready to sell the house, the kids are getting ready to sell their home, you know, and that's gonna be a big thing even for me, you know, the time I spent there and lived there. This past week, I was with my spiritual director and she was asking me, you know, what I've been reading. And so I was sharing with her what I was reading. So she said, come aware of this new book. She's read it herself. She says, rob, I want you to get it so that we can discuss it together. Talk about seasons and Change of Hearts by Ron Rolhauser. [00:21:59] Speaker B: Oh, he's so good. [00:22:00] Speaker D: Well, this is called Insane for the Light. [00:22:04] Speaker B: Ooh, I'm writing this down. [00:22:06] Speaker C: I know, Me too. [00:22:07] Speaker D: Saying for the Light and spirituality for our wisdom years and divides the book up kind of ageism. I got Morning, Noon and Dusk. And I think she was kind of referring that maybe she and I are in the dusk. Okay. All right. So the book just came delivered. And, you know, I think years back when there was. We had a speaker when it was another parish, and a local newspaper came to interview this guy. And then in the article, he says, and the pastor's middle aged. And I thought, what is he referring to me? And I like, oh, we've talked about seasonally. Well, you both know, my model is, you know, I'm not as young as I used to be, but I'm still young. That's my model. [00:22:57] Speaker B: I can live with that. [00:22:58] Speaker D: My go to whatever. So, anyways, this will be interesting. Talk about change your heart, change of life and seasons, you know, how to experience dying and rising and I think, you know, letting go. Like, my friend Jerry, let him go. And how do you move on and, you know, dress in my own life now. I guess I'm heading into the dusk. [00:23:19] Speaker B: No, no, don't be in too much of it. [00:23:21] Speaker D: What do you need? I'm not in a hurry, you know, what to let go of and what to hold on to and take. So that's been, you know, it's gotta [00:23:30] Speaker B: be hard, too, because I know we're both in seasons of grieving right now, but for you, a lot of your work and your ministry is around helping other people grieve, whereas in youth ministry it's not. There are times, like, when that comes up, but like, I'm just. How many funerals have you done at the parish in the last year? Do you. [00:23:48] Speaker D: Oh, in the last year? Oh, my gosh. [00:23:51] Speaker B: Or in like 2025. [00:23:52] Speaker D: Until now, 2025 there. Oh, my gosh. Oh, no, more than that. We had 20 some at the one parish and probably almost as many as the other two. I mean, this year, 2026, we've already had 12. And today meeting a family, 12 in [00:24:16] Speaker B: the last not even two months. [00:24:18] Speaker D: And then meeting a family today, this afternoon, to plan a funeral. And then we have that other one we're trying to plan. You and I get that together too. [00:24:28] Speaker B: So that's got to be like a huge percentage of your energy where. Of your. Even just the hours you spend are around funerals. Yeah. [00:24:39] Speaker D: And that's. [00:24:39] Speaker B: I mean, you're so good at them, but I would imagine that would be [00:24:42] Speaker C: difficult mentally and emotionally and spiritually. [00:24:45] Speaker D: I mean, I do. That's why I like to sit with the families and planning. I mean, often I know them. And so that's got a whole energy with itself. And then people I don't really know become. It's very important to be with them. So I get to know them and get to know about the person. We're going to celebrate his or her life. And I do put myself into it. And I mean, I think that is one of my gifts. [00:25:19] Speaker B: Definitely is. Yes, it definitely is. Yeah. But, yeah, so you're kind of steeped in the Paschal mystery all the time and dying and rising, dying and rising, dying and rising. Being a beacon of that faith. Oh, what else, Karen? [00:25:36] Speaker C: Well, I got some quotes from some wonderful saints of ours about surrendering. Okay. And one of my favorites is from St. Francis de Sales, and he says, gentle surrender rather than anxious striving. Gentle, gentle surrender rather than anxious striving. And I just like that because I was. I mean, we talk about this a lot. I'm very anxious person. Right. And it's always like, looking ahead and what can be done. So it's not anxiety ridden. And Jeff and I share with our children that we have a couple. Our kids have to, like, be prepared for things and not just, okay, now we're gonna go do something else, but, like, you're not striving for anything and, like having that anxiety, but just the idea that surrendering isn't giving up, it's putting yourself in God's hands. [00:26:31] Speaker B: But we even see Jesus being anxious in the garden this week. I mean, I think that's something to remember too, is that he understands what that feels like to be in that position, like, take the cup, you know, if you can take it. [00:26:45] Speaker C: I mean, Jesus was human. And that's what I love about the divinity of Jesus and also the humanity is he felt everything that we feel, but was able to do more because of his divinity. [00:27:00] Speaker B: And it's just, it's. [00:27:02] Speaker C: It's humbling to know that, like, Jesus, you know, on the cross. He's like, really? Does this really need to happen? And then is able to surrender that and be able to do that. And then Saint Ignatius of Loyola says, surrender as active trust and cooperation with God's will. So looking at it as just letting go, letting it in God's hands. And unfortunately, sometimes we have trouble with that because of that humanity aspect of us. It's just, I don't want to. I need to have that control. [00:27:44] Speaker B: We'll talk about the spiritual exercises. That's the whole idea of freedom. Right. Interior freedom. And that's what Jesus was able to do so completely that we all struggle with, is the idea of. Yeah. Being so internally free that you could walk that road. [00:28:02] Speaker C: I mean, I will say I'm. When I was younger and not in ministry, I didn't really have the concept of Holy Week that I do now. And every year it's more engaged. But it is such a fruitful week of the mysteries and the sacramentality that we're given during this week and the celebrations of Holy Saturday, when we get to celebrate the kids and the adults coming into the church and then the new life on Easter. It's just, if you haven't celebrated the Triduum or Holy Week before, this is the year. This is the year to do it. [00:28:44] Speaker B: That should come this year. [00:28:45] Speaker D: Yes, you should. [00:28:46] Speaker B: It's going to be really special this year. We've got Holy Thursday and Good Friday at St. Catherine's this year, which is going to be beautiful. And at the Easter Vigil, we have 15 individuals, give or take. [00:29:03] Speaker C: Yep. [00:29:03] Speaker B: About half and half teachers, eight kids [00:29:05] Speaker C: and adults, eight to seven adults, I [00:29:06] Speaker B: think, joining our church. [00:29:08] Speaker D: It's going to be an exciting evening indeed. [00:29:11] Speaker C: And Holy Saturday is my favorite holy day by far. And again, I didn't realize the richness of it until I was in ministry, and I was like, oh, my gosh, I was missing out. All these years. [00:29:25] Speaker B: You were talking about Ronald Rolheiser's. Have you read his book the Passion and the Cross? [00:29:31] Speaker D: No, I haven't. [00:29:32] Speaker B: That one's all about the Paschal ministry. When you're done with the end of [00:29:36] Speaker C: life one, you're done with everything else. [00:29:38] Speaker D: After I get through the dusk. Right. [00:29:40] Speaker B: When you get through the dusk. It's short, it's a little one, but it's really profound. I think I've talked to you about it, because he uses the image of like, a water filter, you know, like you would put in your fridge, and how, like, it just takes all the imperfections out and leaves nothing but Beautiful, pure water. And he's like, that's what Jesus did on the cross. He took into himself all of the evil and the suffering, and he gave none of it back. He only gave back. [00:30:11] Speaker D: Ah, I love that image. [00:30:13] Speaker B: Yeah. It made her think about things in a whole different way. So that's another Holy Week thought. And you remember what Eric was talking about, tomb time. [00:30:23] Speaker D: Tomb time. [00:30:24] Speaker B: Yeah. That was a couple years ago now, wasn't. [00:30:27] Speaker D: Yeah. Make giving yourself space and step aside and refresh your purse and whatever and that. So, yeah, I'm working. I try to. [00:30:38] Speaker B: I'm working on that. [00:30:39] Speaker D: He reminds me of that all the time. [00:30:40] Speaker B: Yeah, you're in good. [00:30:42] Speaker D: Some people have a lot of tomb time. They live there permanently. [00:30:45] Speaker B: I don't think I want to be permanently in tomb time. No. [00:30:48] Speaker D: Thank you, but no. It was good wisdom from Eric. Well, it's important, too, how times the scriptures, Jesus went off to pray. You got to give your spouse yourself space and just replenish or be still. And there you are. [00:31:06] Speaker C: Ann and I have talked multiple times about a holy. [00:31:08] Speaker D: No, I've heard you mentioned. [00:31:14] Speaker B: That's so we can say better holy yeses. [00:31:16] Speaker C: Yes, that's so we can say better holy yeses. [00:31:17] Speaker B: Yes. [00:31:18] Speaker C: Anything else you'd like to share? [00:31:22] Speaker D: Well, you know, one of the questions you gave me to think about is, what is God calling us to let go of so new things can happen? And immediately I thought of the Serenity Prayer. You know, the Serenity Prayer says, you know, lord, may I accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference, how important wisdom is. And people of faith, we refer to wisdom, the Holy Spirit, all the time. And to take that time to let wisdom guide us, you know, when it is appropriate, we can say no and when we can say yes to whatever presentation of this new life that is before us. You know, the last weekend before we began Lent, preaching in the Gospel, Jesus is saying over and over again, you have heard it said. But I'm saying to you, he talks about various things that come before us in life because he's calling and inviting us to go deeper. To go deeper. Not to take everything so literal. Just one example would be like, you know, you've heard you should not murder and say, hey, the three of us haven't murdered anybody and we're good. Speaking for myself anyway. [00:32:49] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, I haven't either. [00:32:51] Speaker D: But he says, you got to go deeper. Because when, you know, what about in relationships? Where do you talk about people? Do you have evil thoughts or whatever, that's destroying, that's killing in another way. So that's. Those words really stick with me about going deeper. But I say to you in taking the time, okay, what is Jesus saying to me, Rob, stop talking. Try not to think. That's a tough thing. You know, just listen. Listen and experience that change and where is it coming to some new growth. As long as you're in the world, you should be growing. [00:33:34] Speaker C: Amen. [00:33:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:35] Speaker D: One of my quotes that I have in my office, one of the pieces of furniture is from Michelangelo and he said, I am still learning, [00:33:45] Speaker C: and hopefully [00:33:46] Speaker D: I'm still learning for the good. [00:33:47] Speaker B: There you go. I like that ending with the serenity prayer. That's a good. That's a really good Holy Week prayer. Serenity, courage, wisdom. I think that's a good note to end on. Thank you for coming. [00:34:03] Speaker D: Thanks for having me. [00:34:04] Speaker B: It was fun to see you back again. [00:34:06] Speaker D: All right, Sounds good. [00:34:07] Speaker C: I want to be a multiple guest. [00:34:11] Speaker D: I'd love to. All right. [00:34:13] Speaker C: Thank you, everyone. Have a blessed Holy Week. [00:34:16] Speaker B: Hopefully we'll see you at all of our liturgies. [00:34:19] Speaker C: It'll be wonderful. If you have any questions about any of the times or dates or anything like that, check the bulletin website. And we look forward to seeing you. Thanks so much. [00:34:28] Speaker B: Happy Holy Week. [00:34:29] Speaker C: Bye. [00:34:29] Speaker D: God bless. [00:34:30] Speaker B: Enjoy your tomb time. [00:34:31] Speaker D: Bye. Bye. [00:34:34] Speaker A: Thanks for taking a faith break with us today. Karen, Luke and Anne Gallagher are lay ministers with the parishes of St. Catherine of Siena in Menden, New York, and Church of the Transfiguration in Pittsford, New York. More about our parishes, including weekly live streamed Sunday Mass, can be [email protected] thanks to our special guest today, Pastor Father Rob. Faith Break is engineered by Jeff Beckett. Join us for new episodes of Faith Break each week in Studio on YouTube or on your favorite audio podcast or music app. [00:35:17] Speaker B: Sam.